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ORACLE's Portal strategy
Nov 2 2007, 5:22 AM EDT We're really worried about ORACLE's apparent lack of interest in their ORACLE PORTAL product. The question is: with Webcenter Suite AND Stellent (now Universal Content Management), where does PORTAL stands in ORACLE´s strategy and product stack? Is it going to evolve, or will it die quietly? If it survives, what is the product road map? It badly needs a big feature boost, or it just won't stay competitive (the portal market evolves *fast*, and ORACLE PORTAL doesn't) Any answer/clue? Greetings. 29 out of 70 found this valuable. Do you? |
 BatCat |
RE: ORACLE's Portal strategy
Nov 8 2007, 6:46 PM EST Anybody know if this WiKi is being delivered using webcenter? What's with the Wetpaint? Has Oracle stopped "eating it's own dog food"? Cheers. 4 out of 44 found this valuable. Do you? |
 chipselley |
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Nov 22 2007, 1:30 PM EST I just got hired by Oracle to sell Portal, so I'd like to think it's a pretty solid strategy to move forward with it. My first day is Nov 26th. 3 out of 38 found this valuable. Do you? |
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BatCat |
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Nov 22 2007, 3:08 PM EST I'm sure the Portal product has legs for a while yet. Just wondering why Oracle chose to use a 3rd party service for their WiKi, when they're marketing a product that can be used to implement it themselves... Have fun at the big O. 1 out of 36 found this valuable. Do you? |
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070273 070273 |
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Nov 23 2007, 3:47 AM EST BTW, anyone attended to "Oracle Portal: New Features and Product Road Map" session at OpenWorld? I'm very interested about what was said there. ORACLE has not published the presentation in their "Content Catalog" OpenWorld page (http://www28.cplan.com/cc176/catalog.jsp), will they do it? Kind regards. 0 out of 36 found this valuable. Do you? |
 vesterli |
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Nov 23 2007, 8:37 AM EST I was there. But there were few new features and no roadmap... It doesn't really indicate any grand vision for the product that one of the major new features they presented was the ability to move transport sets by database link instead of by FTP file transfer. I came away with the impression that this is a product effectively in maintenance mode. It's kind of like Forms - it's not going away, but it's not going anywhere either. 5 out of 41 found this valuable. Do you? |
 jasonpepper |
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Nov 26 2007, 1:25 PM EST I'd concur with that.. 1 out of 35 found this valuable. Do you? |
 Gaborina |
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Nov 28 2007, 9:29 AM EST This is one of the last Statement of Directions for Oracle Portal & Webcenter Suite (from July 2007). It might help if you are wondering what’s happening with Portal. http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/ias/portal/pdf/oracle_portal_sod_r11.pdf 0 out of 34 found this valuable. Do you? |
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jasonpepper |
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Nov 28 2007, 10:07 AM EST That SOD says nothing we didn't already know.. basically portal is in a feature holding pattern until webcenter is able to replace the point & click functionality provided by portal. That will not start happening until webcenter 11g is released.. even then it will need additional effort. The integration plans for the two projects are patchy to say the least and where there is integration it is superficial (JSF bridge for example) 6 out of 39 found this valuable. Do you? |
 danfisher |
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Dec 4 2007, 8:32 AM EST Oracle Portal key function and features have not advanced significantly since 9ias and I do not see Oracle suddenly creating a load of new features now. It was comparatively good when it came out, looks old and dated now. 4 out of 38 found this valuable. Do you? |
 tdal007 |
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Dec 4 2007, 3:52 PM EST That is why they want to buy BEA. BEA is ahead of them by over a year and it is totally integrated. Oracles Portal products are in pieces .. Web Center, Portal, Wiki, Fusion middleware, Identity Management etcc.. you have to know what you are doing to integrate them. There are some good features in all of them but BEA has been very focused in staying ahead and everthing is in Java. Oracle is all over the board. Which as a consultant I like. There are always 5 ways to slay the dragon. 3 out of 36 found this valuable. Do you? |
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vesterli |
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Dec 4 2007, 4:11 PM EST I thought BEA had two different portal products as well? 0 out of 34 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Gaborina |
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Dec 5 2007, 7:28 AM EST "That is why they want to buy BEA. BEA is ahead of them by over a year"tdal007"- you have definitely not done your lesson: Fusion Middleware is not a "product" as you claim, it's actually the name for several 'fusion' software areas such as: BI, Identity Management, Content Management and SOA. Every area has it's own stack of products (sometimes to many I admit) but how many customers do you know can afford to buy the alleged "integrated BEA solution"? In my experience customers usually want to buy something specific and not a complete solution because they already have systems that they are satisfied with and does not want to make to big changes. From one consultant to another: I disagree with you. 0 out of 33 found this valuable. Do you? |
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pmil195 pmil195 |
RE: ORACLE's Portal strategy
Dec 5 2007, 8:49 AM EST Interesting thread! Does anyone know the ETA of 11i Portal--I suppose at same time as 11i App server? 0 out of 31 found this valuable. Do you? |
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tdal007 |
RE: ORACLE's Portal strategy
Dec 5 2007, 8:59 AM EST I agree. BEA is expensive but it has been around a while and is very stable. Oracle Portal also is stable and has been around awhile. IBM rounds off the top three enterprise Portal or IAS Suite of products. These three players are competing for most of the pie. As a consumer I am glad there is more than one or two. Everyone needs competition. I am a consultant specializing in Oracle and will always recommend Oracle Portal because of my long history with the product. I can make it do what most people need. But the Portal market is changing. The Open Source companies are cranking out great stuff faster than you can blink. 1 out of 32 found this valuable. Do you? |
 matthew.haavisto |
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Dec 5 2007, 7:08 PM EST I'm going to chime in here on the PeopleSoft portal which is another Oracle offering. It falls under Oracle's Applications Unlimited strategy, and we are continuing to enhance it (despite some mis-information to the contrary). The PeopleSoft portal is distinguished by being a functional portal. That is, it provides capabilities beyond simply aggregating and managing content. Chief among these are Collaborative Workspaces, which includes such things as discussion groups, group calendaring, content publishing, discussion forums, group links, team events, polling, email integration and team action items. The EP also supports the latest standards, so it can publish and consume content with any WSRP/JSR compliant source. It's tighty integrated with PS apps, and is very easy to deploy. The best prospects for this product are customers that have a strong PeopleSoft portfolio which they want to better integrate and improve the business processes across applications. 3 out of 33 found this valuable. Do you? |
 bhiern |
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Jan 3 2008, 2:50 AM EST There has been a number of comments trying to compare Portal & WebCenter and frankly we do tend to see them in different spaces. While the Portal product is used for high level aggregation (dashboards like environments) it is not really designed to be a transactional application in of it's self (as much as many try to make it so). This is where WebCenter comes into the picture. A WebCenter application can be seen as "the face of SOA" in that it is intended to allow for the integration of disparate back ends into a single transactional style UI. While R11 does introduce "designtime@runtime" capabilities and other Web2.0 style features this concept of a transactional based collaborative environment does not really change. One comment on Portal R11, there has been a significant amount of work in the plumbing (and hence not obvious). These changes allow for better integration with other components of the application server stack (such as Management, Configuration, Security etc.) 2 out of 28 found this valuable. Do you? |
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wikiponic wikiponic |
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Jan 15 2008, 12:58 AM EST Guys, Any ideas how's 11g portal? What are the new features in it? 0 out of 24 found this valuable. Do you? |
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vesterli |
RE: ORACLE's Portal strategy
Jan 15 2008, 4:11 AM EST I've added a link to the Portal 11g New Features presentation given at Oracle OpenWorld in November 2007 to the page above. Portal 11g does not seem to be available in public beta or tech preview, so I for the time being, I guess we'll have to take Oracle's word that it'll be great ;-) 3 out of 27 found this valuable. Do you? |
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p_ugalde p_ugalde |
RE: ORACLE's Portal strategy
Jan 15 2008, 11:23 AM EST Well...two yhings to answer to some comments above... First one: It's now official, Oracle has announced the release of Oracle 11g on 11th July of this year during the OpenWorld conference. The new version is designed to comfort its leadership from IBM and Microsoft. We only know that the launching will be in New York City, and that Charles Philips and Andy Mendelsohn will be there in order to launch the new version. They are, respectively, the CEO and vice CEO of database and server technologies. The new version brings a lot of new features, and improvements of existing features. An article will be available soon, describing all improvements made for this new version. To complete this story, the new version of Oracle is "11", and will be launched an "11", and the "g" letter is the seventh letter of the alphabet, and July is the seventh month of the year. ;-) The second one: Initially I though webcenter was more or less the same as Oracle Portal, but implemented in Java, with some additional web 2.0 components. But the vision behind Webcenter is a bit different. Portal is basically a container where you add in external content. The Portal combines all the external content, and allows the user or an admin to the container and the presentation. So.. I think we'll need to wait and see, right? But apparently the strategy is to improve the product... and they are doing it... 4 out of 27 found this valuable. Do you? |
