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NotHenryPorter
NotHenryPorter
11g versions
Oct 15 2007, 1:04 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 15 2007, 1:04 PM EDT
What's the rationale for only having 11g available as 32bit Linux. Doesn't that somewhat contradict the ubiquity that Oracle would like to portray? 3  out of 16 found this valuable. Do you?    
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nlitchfield
nlitchfield
1. RE: 11g versions
Oct 15 2007, 3:36 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 15 2007, 3:36 PM EDT
11g is a work in progress, which is to say it is in the process of being released for all supported platforms - this takes a while.

If you wish to check out Oracle's ubiquity, then taking a gander at the 10.2 downloads makes more sense, that would be

Windows
Linux
AIX
HPUX
Solaris - sparc and intel
VMS

...
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wongyc2k
wongyc2k
2. RE: 11g versions
Nov 8 2007, 10:37 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 8 2007, 10:37 PM EST
Seems to me that more than likely 32-bit Linux is Oracle Development's primary platform which would explain why most releases and patches are first done for this platform. 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
e.birus
e.birus
3. RE: 11g versions
Nov 8 2007, 10:54 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 8 2007, 10:54 PM EST
I'm assuming that this post was prior to the 11g announcement on Windows? I was quite pleased to see 11g available first on Linux. 2  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    
roy_hayrosa
roy_hayrosa
4. RE: 11g versions
Nov 9 2007, 2:20 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 9 2007, 2:20 AM EST
I think it would stir alot of discussions if Oracle released 11g on windows platform. Due to its support on the open source community..Oracle should use linux as their primary platform for development :) 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
ontarioemperor
ontarioemperor
5. RE: 11g versions
Nov 9 2007, 6:52 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 9 2007, 6:52 PM EST
"11g is a work in progress, which is to say it is in the process of being released for all supported platforms - this takes a while.

If you wish to check out Oracle's ubiquity, then taking a gander at the 10.2 downloads makes more sense, that would be

Windows
Linux
AIX
HPUX
Solaris - sparc and intel
VMS

..."
And several others besides.

Oracle has clearly communicated over the last several years that database products would first be released on the Linux platform. I made a mistake in not realizing that the August release was for 32 bit Linux only, but that's probably more my fault than Oracle's.

In the ideal world, however, it would be good to have a public roadmap which indicates, by quarter, when the new releases will be available for the various platforms.
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rcleveng
6. RE: 11g versions
Nov 10 2007, 12:02 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 10 2007, 12:02 AM EST
What about a Mac OS X version? Any plans for another one of those (apart from the old 10.1 ppc beta)??? 2  out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?    
roy_hayrosa
roy_hayrosa
7. RE: 11g versions
Nov 10 2007, 11:22 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 10 2007, 11:22 AM EST
I'm sure oracle will be supporting that platform... :) it may take a while to support mac but for sure it will release one. 1  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    

josyula007
8. RE: 11g versions
Mar 30 2008, 9:07 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 30 2008, 9:07 PM EDT
I haven't seen any updates from Oracle on this. How hard is it to release 11g for Intel Mac OS X ? The current release Leopard is a full unix release and posix compliant. It should not be rocket science for oracle folks to release on this operating system. 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
nlitchfield
nlitchfield
9. RE: 11g versions
Mar 31 2008, 2:00 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 31 2008, 2:00 AM EDT
"I haven't seen any updates from Oracle on this. How hard is it to release 11g for Intel Mac OS X ? The current release Leopard is a full unix release and posix compliant. It should not be rocket science for oracle folks to release on this operating system."
It's usually a question of whether it can be shown that it is worth Oracle's while doing the OSD porting. That is how many paying customers are clamouring for the port. I'd imagine that case might be easier to make for the development tools and clients than for the database server product - but would love to see reports of people using OS-X for their servers.
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roy_hayrosa
roy_hayrosa
10. RE: 11g versions
Mar 31 2008, 8:42 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 31 2008, 8:42 AM EDT
I could not agree more with mr. nlichfield. There may be servers that runs OS X but the said OS is still immature. Oracle didnt see the need yet to port oracle on OS X. We have 1 server running OS X and i would love try oracle database on it. :) 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
mmorin@cassblue.com
mmorin@cassblue.com
11. RE: 11g versions
May 19 2008, 12:20 PM EDT | Post edited: May 19 2008, 12:20 PM EDT
OS X is Berkeley, which has been around for a long time. Its mature enough in my opinion to at least port the Express Version of Oracle 10 to it. The installs in the past from Oracle onto Mac are very cumbersome...too many hoops....they need to set up Express as a .dmg and ask the necessary questions for fine tuning during the setup.

I would love to get this version of Oracle set up on my IMAC.
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cacruden
12. RE: 11g versions
May 21 2008, 5:20 AM EDT | Post edited: May 21 2008, 5:20 AM EDT
Don't know how you mean by immature, the underlying operating system is a UNIX variation. I don't know how large a market the "OS X" market is.... but I know a lot of developers prefer developing on the mac os/x (not necessarily for the Aqua though). I am mostly interested in getting Oracle 11g for development purposes on the mac, so that I can bring my development environment with me.... but right now it looks like DB2 will have an OS/X port before Oracle. Of course then I get to play around and see how hard it is to port the banking and brokerage applications over to DB2 :p Do you find this valuable?    
normanjd
normanjd
13. RE: 11g versions
May 23 2008, 2:12 PM EDT | Post edited: May 23 2008, 2:12 PM EDT
"I could not agree more with mr. nlichfield. There may be servers that runs OS X but the said OS is still immature. Oracle didnt see the need yet to port oracle on OS X. We have 1 server running OS X and i would love try oracle database on it. :)"
Sadly, it looks like those with OS X will have to use Parallels or VMWare Fusion to install Oracle Database... :(
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roy_hayrosa
roy_hayrosa
14. RE: 11g versions
May 23 2008, 10:57 PM EDT | Post edited: May 23 2008, 10:57 PM EDT
"Don't know how you mean by immature, the underlying operating system is a UNIX variation. I don't know how large a market the "OS X" market is.... "
my apologies for the lack of term..hehehe..what i meant about immature was the market share of the said OS in the enterprise space or at the SMB space :) but who knows...OS X is gaining a following this days..oracle might consider that..even just for the express version..
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roy_hayrosa
roy_hayrosa
15. RE: 11g versions
May 23 2008, 11:02 PM EDT | Post edited: May 23 2008, 11:02 PM EDT
"Sadly, it looks like those with OS X will have to use Parallels or VMWare Fusion to install Oracle Database... :("
good thing thou is that you can download oracle with development license..you only need to license your vmaware fusion.. :)
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mmorin@cassblue.com
mmorin@cassblue.com
16. RE: 11g versions
Jun 6 2008, 2:21 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 6 2008, 2:21 PM EDT
"Don't know how you mean by immature, the underlying operating system is a UNIX variation. I don't know how large a market the "OS X" market is.... but I know a lot of developers prefer developing on the mac os/x (not necessarily for the Aqua though). I am mostly interested in getting Oracle 11g for development purposes on the mac, so that I can bring my development environment with me.... but right now it looks like DB2 will have an OS/X port before Oracle. Of course then I get to play around and see how hard it is to port the banking and brokerage applications over to DB2 :p"
For me there are inherent problems with 'virtual ware' that several have mentioned. From my perspective they are not robust and secure enough. ...and the underlying OS is Not Unix! Having worked with Oracle and DB2 software I would like to see the giants of the db world create an Express Version for free to Developers to test. DB2 has many positive things going for it.
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roy_hayrosa
roy_hayrosa
17. RE: 11g versions
Jun 10 2008, 2:57 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 10 2008, 2:57 AM EDT
"For me there are inherent problems with 'virtual ware' that several have mentioned. From my perspective they are not robust and secure enough. ...and the underlying OS is Not Unix! Having worked with Oracle and DB2 software I would like to see the giants of the db world create an Express Version for free to Developers to test. DB2 has many positive things going for it."
Oracle have released a free version of Oracle DB. It has been available for download at OTN for quite some time already. :) maybe you have missed that announcement..
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mmorin@cassblue.com
mmorin@cassblue.com
18. RE: 11g versions
Sep 4 2008, 1:52 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 4 2008, 1:52 PM EDT
"What's the rationale for only having 11g available as 32bit Linux. Doesn't that somewhat contradict the ubiquity that Oracle would like to portray?"
Here...here...I would agree.

Seems Oracle should port its Express version at least to the Mac Leopard OS which is based on Berkeley...which Oracle does support.....so my question is Why not move Oracle to Mac...they are missing a golden opportunity to port something like Express to the IPhone. Simply bundle the code within a .dmg...and have it ask whatever questions necessary to set up you 'service'.

I've spent 20+ years on SUNOS and see many similarities with MacOSX so what is the problem?...other than # of customers?...OSX is now finding a toehold in corporate server markets.

Linux is great but hey 32bit has been outdated for over 5 years.
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cacruden
19. RE: 11g versions
Apr 17 2009, 6:57 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 17 2009, 6:57 AM EDT
I am very happy now, it might not be 11g, but Oracle 10g for Intel / 64 has been released very quietly - I downloaded just because I am afraid it is going to disappear :o Do you find this valuable?