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chanmm
chanmm
Book for JDeveloper
Nov 19 2007, 7:50 AM EST
It is kind of hard to find a book in JDeveloper. Where can the developers find a step by step book for JDeveloper?

Ming Man
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rjupalli

rjupalli
RE: Book for JDeveloper
Nov 19 2007, 5:05 PM EST
Hi,
There are tutorials with step by step instructions. May be its helpful if you are not aware of this link.
http://www.oracle.com/technology/obe/obe1013jdev/index.htm

Regards,
Ram
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chanmm
chanmm
RE: Book for JDeveloper
Nov 19 2007, 7:31 PM EST
Yes, I realized but the bad things about the OBE are:
1. The finished sample is not there for download
2. The schema has no way to download because those schema do not come with product such as Applicatiopn Server Standard Edition One

OBE is the only learning we do not have video such as http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vcsharp/bb798022.aspx

Ming Man
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HayrolR
HayrolR
RE: Book for JDeveloper
Nov 30 2007, 5:26 PM EST
Hi chanmm, yes ... you realized about OBE existence, but what you didn't realize is that JDeveloper is a fully Java EE and Oracle Technology IDE ... so you need to get focused in some particular needs and go ahead with the OBE's related topics.

Also, about your last two point, i can say you:

1).- You don't need to download a OBE source example since you have the whole content and steps to develop your own finished example code.
2).- Did you mean DataBase schema? .... is so ... then you don't have nothing to do with OAS, no matter the edition. Please, even the small OracleXE (Express edition) has completly functionaly example schemas for following every OBE related, and also you can build your owns with a simple script.

Finlay, if you like funny videos then stay on the "dark side" and look the nice videos and don't join to the FORCE. :-)
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chanmm
chanmm
RE: Book for JDeveloper
Dec 1 2007, 7:44 AM EST
Hello HayroalR,

I think in terms of support Oracle I am really there. Do take a look of:
http://blogs.oracle.com/MingMan
as well as
http://chanmingman.spaces.live.com

I just hope people that want to learn JDeveloper can be as fast as learning Visual Studio. To me, look down the competitors is not going to help me to grow fast.

Ming Man


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lonneke
lonneke
RE: Book for JDeveloper
Dec 1 2007, 8:35 AM EST
Check out otn (http://www.oracle.com/technology/bookstore/index.html). Click on Java Developers/SOA.
You will find three books about JDeveloper there. I don't know what you background is, but if you are looking into ADF BC, the one by Peter Koletzke, Duncan Mills is probably your best bet.
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HayrolR
HayrolR
RE: Book for JDeveloper
Dec 3 2007, 9:52 AM EST
Ok, Ming, I understand you point now.

But I still thinking that MS VS is another world (you know: a lame Web Server, with a improvised app framework, and ONE very good developer environment for it with a set of technology owned by M$) and that include documentation. We are a lot of Java 2 Enterprise Edition's workers (and its derived), even including all the open source technology around this world. Again, JDeveloper is just the "way" to do several things on this world and it supports almost all frameworks and patterns from Java world and Oracle world. If we want a book about JDeveloper, then we only need to look for books on topics like: EJ3, JPA, JSF, MVC, etc, etc., and go ahead to find how to integrate all this in JDev. Most of people know what to do with the JDeveloper in this way, it's why I think that it's not easy a JDeveloper book instead of other tecnology's books like JDeveloper EJB3 implementation.

Regards,

HayrolR
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naveednoor
naveednoor
RE: Book for JDeveloper
Dec 7 2007, 5:02 AM EST
But i think its easy to find lot of books on amazon.com website and also its good to follow the guidlines which oracle gives with JDeveloper. I found them very usefull and uptodate for each version u can get PDF/online material. 0  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    
burtonk

burtonk
RE: Book for JDeveloper
Jan 11 2008, 8:00 AM EST
The way Jdeveloper is always changing and improving, its hard to find a good book on it. The best source for JDEV is the users guides and the OTN. 0  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
shrirang

shrirang
RE: Book for JDeveloper
Jan 14 2008, 5:29 AM EST
"Ok, Ming, I understand you point now.

But I still thinking that MS VS is another world (you know: a lame Web Server, with a improvised app framework, and ONE very good developer environment for it with a set of technology owned by M$) and that include documentation. We are a lot of Java 2 Enterprise Edition's workers (and its derived), even including all the open source technology around this world. Again, JDeveloper is just the "way" to do several things on this world and it supports almost all frameworks and patterns from Java world and Oracle world. If we want a book about JDeveloper, then we only need to look for books on topics like: EJ3, JPA, JSF, MVC, etc, etc., and go ahead to find how to integrate all this in JDev. Most of people know what to do with the JDeveloper in this way, it's why I think that it's not easy a JDeveloper book instead of other tecnology's books like JDeveloper EJB3 implementation.

Regards,

HayrolR"
I very much agree with Ming. MS VS is indeed a very good tool. Especially it's ability to save my time is quite amazing. It also gives me that extra time to explore into new tec. domains even when working under tight schedules.

@HayrolR, I agree, MS VS is another world, and Java (JDeveloper) offers cleaner ways of doing things. Since it offers the capability of addressing a much larger and more diverse spectrum of technologies and products, useful literature becomes even more necessary. Customers are usually not ready to pay more for a product, if they are offered the option of getting the product developed with a specific technology or tool. But if the developers were to get useful and handy set of information to kickstart a project (especially in a new tech. domain) I am sure it would help using cleaner methodologies to solve practical problems.

Since the spectrum is so broad, literature eg. (JFS with JDeveloper) etc. would be very helpful. (Please note: I really hate fat books :-))

Regards,
Shrirang
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